Saturday, October 22, 2016

Final Debate part 5, Foreign Policy

Part five of the debate held 10/19 at the University of Foreign policy. In this segment, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton debate foreign policy including Iraq, Syria, daesh, etcetera.



3rd Party responses:


Commentary and fact checks:

First, it's worth mentioning that US forces are actively engaged in combat operations in at least six nations (Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, and Afghanistan) with no formal declaration of war. Also, as Johnson points out, and Hillary does acknowledge, we already have "boots on the ground" in Iraq.

Here's a good overview of the discussion on Mosul and the inaccuracies from both candidates 

Hillary mentions the civil war in Syria, "Aided and abetted by Russia and the Iranians", but doesn't mention our own involvement in "aiding and abetting" the conflict, how much of a total mess it is, or our actual funding of daesh. Here's an interesting article on the topic from Reason, and here's another op-ed from the Guardian.

Hillary fails to acknowledge that it is our very foreign policy that she would continue that created daesh.

Trump's foreign policy is not much better, it's basically a mix of the same aggressive interventionism mixed with isolationist protectionism.

Trump also claims he opposed the war in Iraq, which is simply untrue.

The reality of this debate is both candidates support and would continue further intervention, continue the so called war on terror, and neither would represent any real major change in foreign policy.

Trump is right to point out the issue with funding the rebels and not really knowing who they are, but is inaccurate, and terribly so, with his fear tactics regarding refugees. (Here's an interesting article about the first Syrian refugee in Idaho, and her perspective) On the refugee situation, Clinton helped cause the problem, and Trump is using fear rhetoric and lies in response to the problem. The data simply does not support his fears.

On Hillary's no fly zone, this would be a swipe and confrontation with Russian and Syrian forces, not daesh. Russian and Syrian forces are using air power, not daesh. She didn't really address these concerns in the debate, other than to acknowledge they exist.

The reality of our foreign policy in the Middle East is that we have created the problem, we are fueling the problem, we don't even really understand the problem, and it is highly likely that either Clinton or Trump will only get us into a further mess, likely including a pissing match with Russia in their backyard.


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